2025 Season: Episode 4 with Jeff Kober

Feb 5

“What consciousness always is doing is offering love from one aspect of itself to another aspect of itself. And I want to be on that train. I want to be about that business because I can come up with ideas about what's right for me and what should I be doing with my life, but it's guesswork, it's hearsay and speculation. But if I line up with God, with the flow of love, then whatever it is that I'm doing is going to be moving in the direction of my highest good and the highest good for the situation and the highest good for the whole.”
- Jeff Kober

In this heart-opening conversation, choir leader and podcast host Lisa Littlebird sits down with actor and Vedic meditation teacher Jeff Kober to ask how we move from polarization toward lasting harmony. Referencing the Gene Keys (especially Key 17 on opinions → farsightedness → omniscience, and Key 51 on trust) as a compass, they explore the fear-driven “survival self,” tribalism, and the ego’s twin traps of smallness and grandiosity.

Jeff shares how daily meditation practice has helped him dis-identify from fear, and he shares a story from the stage about leaping into the unknown and discovering real-time trust. Together they reframe spiritual practice as process over product, anchored in service and community—where a shared purpose creates a field that lifts everyone. The episode closes with “When We Sing” by Olivia Fern—an invitation to feel, receive, and join the chorus.

Jeff Kober: https://jeff-kober.com

Wholehearted Chorus: https://wholeheartedchorus.org